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AlwaysPaula10000

Redemption? I think not. Maybe .... just maybe .... if this clothing line was being produced and funded by him with 100% of profits going toward the efforts to ban all dog fighting and animal abuse, then I would believe in his so-called redemption. But this is simply another way for this dog torturer/murderer to try to recoup some of his financial loss from the fine he had to pay for his abuse of poor pit bulls and breaking the law. There is nothing redeeming about it. I will not patronize any store that chooses to carry this line of misnamed clothing.
76 Days ago

Datu35

good job vick! there are so many ignorant people who will always refuse to forgive you. and accept redemption! what you did was HORRIBLE! but what do you do when you fall? you get back up!
338 Days ago

GuruFee

Vick should have called it the Ron Mexico line!
340 Days ago

Vick Cloving Line Namsayin

With a rugged but stylish Polo shirt called "The Herp" as its centerpiece.
340 Days ago

GuruFee

And a necklace made from the "bark" of a dogwood tree!
340 Days ago

675emma

Go here to see Vicks true side https://www.facebook.com/OfficialMikeVick#!/photo.php?fbid=10151637620769068&set=a.361620179067.157368.338140469067&type=1&theatere!!!
340 Days ago

675emma

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialMikeVick#!/photo.php?fbid=10151637620769068&set=a.361620179067.157368.338140469067&type=1&theater
340 Days ago

missbuber

Its is idiotic to say he helped them by showing them how to dog fight. Showing someone illegal behavior is hurting them. Mass and Rhode Island wouldn't have banned it if there was no outrage.
339 Days ago

150bigdaddy

They kill greyhounds everyday across this country.It has gotten so bad Mass,and Rhode Island have banned greyhound racing 3 years ago after about 50 years in business..I don't think Vick was fighting dogs for money,just helping his no good buddies and relatives who weren't making a living.
340 Days ago

TheKingOfVa360

Good for Vick, I wish him much success
340 Days ago

675emma

why would you wish somebody that treated animals bad and killed animals like he did, success?
340 Days ago

Vick Cloving Line Namsayin

"his life off the football field has never been better. He recently married longtime fiancee Kijafa Frink" Millions of men would disagree that this makes your life better.
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

No need he has two kids with her. That's her pre nup. I have to defend the man after you and others keep trying to dicredit this man over something done over 6-7 years ago, and which only hard core pet lovers still give a fuuuck about!!
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

You're just misguided lead by your heart on your sleeve. Vick paid his BS debt to society. Now he back to doing what he does best!!!
340 Days ago

GuruFee

He's black enough for me. -GOP
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

"He is not America's first Black president - he's America's first mixed-race president.'" -Morgan Freeman
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Also, it's been 4 years since Bush was in office. Let it go!
340 Days ago

Vick Cloving Line Namsayin

Why is Obama your man? His dad was Kenyan, not African American, and his mom was white Anglo-Saxon. I have more in common with him than you being that I'm an Anglo.
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Yeah, the guy hired a small army of PR reps to show just how sincere he was.
340 Days ago

GuruFee

@Smallz Please stick to being dumb about football. leave the real lifting for others with a brain!
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Yeah, you've never had anyone tear apart your fallacies before, have you? You continue to completely miss the point.
340 Days ago

GuruFee

A leopard doesn't change its spots! All an act.
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

No you discredit that DUMb $@% Bush!! That's like me telling you I'm going to hit you right in the face on Sept 11, and when that day comes around you're not even paying attention to me. 9/11 happened because of Jack $@%!$ pride and ignorance. Left my man's Obama still cleaning up his BS. Let alone the state in which he left the economy. Next!
340 Days ago

Sux 2BA Sox Fan

frankly that woman must have zero self esteem and no morals to stick with such a bad person.
340 Days ago

Vick Cloving Line Namsayin

$$$
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

I hope he got a pre-nup.
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

So wut Smallz and Justin are sying is that dogfighters shud be elected prez and Vick's haterz should be executd on the spot!!! I'll bet you don't like it when I turn your tactics back on you.
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

Like I said wishy- washy. If you have a team that's your team. You can't rep two teams thas just the backwards thinking that has you still persecuting a man for actions almost ten years ago. It's funny that of all the people in the world, this man is still a lightning rod for BS PETA followers. Dog fighting has been around for 100's of years. All of a sudden he's the only that gets caught. I understand he's a famous. But let that man live his life!
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

There you have it right there. You're confused or not a real fan!! You only have one team!!
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Fans always accept this simple-minded logic without thinking through how absolutely absurd it is. I've loved the Steelers my whole life and fell in love with the Giants when they prevented the Patriots from going 19-0.
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

I actually think you're very comical. Real extreme in your comparisons but funny. I have no problem with you not liking him that's your choice. BTW wat's ur NFL team since you're in a sharing mood?
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Not extreme. That's how fallacies are exposed. Steelers. Also a fan of the Giants.
340 Days ago

Justin4537

Doesnt matter what you say,vick is out of jail,,he's healthy, and he's the starting qb for the philly eagles
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Yeah, once again you're saying the same thing. And once again, I thought you were done with me? Also, using your logic, it doesn't matter what you say.
340 Days ago

Sux 2BA Sox Fan

sucks for the Eagles. ha ha ha
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

The man fought dogs. When you drop a dog off at a shelter, if it's unclaimed it gets euthanized, not too much different. You're still killing an animal. You being Jewish (from your user name) should know about the difference between killing a few dogs and mass genocide of a race of people!!
340 Days ago

Sushi916

Reread what I said. I didn't imply anything.
340 Days ago

Sushi916

There are Russian, as well as Polish Jews in this world.
340 Days ago

Vick Cloving Line Namsayin

All of the Poles I know personally are catholic. And then there's Pope John Paul II.
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

-ski in no way implies Judaism. There are also plenty of Polish Roman Catholics. My grandfather can vouch for this.
340 Days ago

Vick Cloving Line Namsayin

Isn't the -ski suffix just a Russian or Polish thing? Since when is it a jewish thing?
340 Days ago

Vick Cloving Line Namsayin

Or maybe Chrzan�w.
340 Days ago

Vick Cloving Line Namsayin

So that should mean your family is from Krzanow, as -ski seems to infer "from".
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Polish. Thank you. I was confused myself.
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

Please tell him again..... his head a little thick, need time to penetrate through!
340 Days ago

Sushi916

The victors write history. There is a place in this world for revisionist history. That being said, I would love to see some academic, scientific, and forensic evidence of the mass genocide of a race of people without interference from Jewish interests.
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

Just a guess. Didn't matter either way! But the nger you have towards this man shows you ignorance. I huess in your mind he should've been locked up for life. never allowed to resume his career or life. You sure live in the right country. Because people don't deserve second chances! It's one thing to not approve of his actions, ot's something else completely to codemn him for putting up money. Yes he admitted to the torture because the dead dogs were found on his property. But you keep trying. AT THE END OF THE DAY ALL HE REALLY DID WAS FINANCE THE BUSINESS!
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

"I huess in your mind he should've been locked up for life." Nope. Not at all. You're now strawmanning me. 3 fallacies. "Because people don't deserve second chances!" Yes, they do. I support Vick's right to play. I just don't have to like him. "AT THE END OF THE DAY ALL HE REALLY DID WAS FINANCE THE BUSINESS!" And you base this on...what, exactly?
340 Days ago

Justin4537

Euthanasia is just a professional way of sayin,,,,DEAD,, THEY still kill unclaimed dogs
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

I thought you were done with me? Tell you what. If you ever become terminally ill, allow a serial killer to torture you before you die. After all, dead is dead, right? lolz@you. Again.
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

And I'm not Jewish. Raised a Lutheran and currently an agnostic. Nice try, though. You're really a fan of logical fallacies, aren'tcha?
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Again, moral relativism. And the fact that you don't see a difference between euthanasia and torture further reinforces how goddam stupid you are. Keep it up!
340 Days ago

Sushi916

Confession: Today, the puppy I dropped off at the shelter apparently was hemorrhaging from my previous violent kick. Acting quickly, I handed it to a young boy who thought the mutt was adorable. Hah, I hope they press charges on the dumb kid if for no other reason than for talking to and accepting gifts from strangers! By the way, on the way home,I had a hotdog with mustard, relish, onions, and sauerkraut. Do you find it strange that a vegan would partake in meat products?
340 Days ago

Justin4537

i hit a dog on my way to work the other day,,who cares,i still had to be at work on time
340 Days ago

Sux 2BA Sox Fan

the more you post stupid comments the more you prove what a complete idiot you are. keep up the good work.
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Derp!
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

it was a dog a pet. People in China eat cats. Boil them in water alive. then peeel the skin from their body while their still alive. He fought dogs point blank, which is a cultural norm in the South just like other area of the world have customs that don't appeal to most. You need the education. It's not like he was killing people. The man paid his debt. He's back on top! Doin HIM. So haters will hate. Hate on!!
340 Days ago

C.Breezy215

All those that hate Mike Vick for what he did and paid dearly for should also be angry at everyone involved in the multi-billion dollar business of horse racing as that is also torture that results in the death of many innocent animals.
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

I am.
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

Excuse me, but makes you the Judge on morality? Please explain how you are in any position to question laws and customs from cultures and societies that pre date you own. it must be working for them, It's been working since B.C.
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Red herring! I'm not being the judge of morality. If you want to claim that there's a moral defense to my aforementioned offenses, go right ahead. It further reinforces the depths to which Vick's worshipers will go to defend him. I'm in a position to judge because I'm an intelligent, rational, well-educated person who doesn't accept any position as valid. I'm so very sorry you are not in a similar position.
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

They do it in the Middle East, too. They also imprison women for being raped, stone them for having affairs, and cut the heads off of foreigners. Shall we give their opinions serious moral weight? We should not. You are, once again, resorting to moral relativism to defend Vick. I already pointed that out once, yet you continue to do it?
340 Days ago

Justin4537

preachhhhh
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Actually, I'm not. I'm criticizing HIM for doing it. Not once have I done it. Not even once. Both of you have, though. You don't know what moral relativism is, do you? Back to you.
340 Days ago

Justin4537

he's just one of those mike vick haters,,and in all actuality,,,he's resorting to moral relativism to criticize vick,,,he's just a HATER
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

This dude sound like he's President of PETA. Probably one of those wierdos kissing dogs in the mouth and more. it's funny how the often uneduacted are always talking of education. I love America. Any $@% with a voice gets to spout his opinion
340 Days ago

Smallz49ers

It's so funny how people still try to depict this man as EVIL or something. He put up front money for a dog fighting ring. Some of you dam lames need to get a clue. People have done far worse. You damn obsessive dog lovers need mental counseling!!!
340 Days ago

Justin4537

i got the transcripts and the documentary,like i said earlier,,,you a hater,,and you dont know what da hell you talkin about
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

He pleaded guilty to state charges of torture. So there's that.
340 Days ago

Justin4537

he funded the dogfighting events,,,how do you know that he put his hands on the dogs,,WAS YOU THERE,?? YOU JUST A HATER
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

"now for real,,,,im done talkin to you,,," Be gone, troll!
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

See the trial transcripts. I thought you were done with me?
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

I don't depict him as evil. I depict him as a clinical psychopath. He didn't just front the money; he viciously tortured the animals for his own sadistic pleasure. What does it matter that people have done worse? You can use this relativistic logic to defend the second worst person in the world. You think I need counseling? I think you need an education.
340 Days ago

Sux 2BA Sox Fan

"Two shirts were emblazoned with Vick's mottos: "Mental Toughness," and "It's Not How You Start. It's How You Finish."" --yeah, and Vick can't finish a season....how ironic.
340 Days ago

C.Breezy215

Yet he did finish the season LOL! He missed some games in the middle but played down the stretch but thanks for your hate it was much needed.
340 Days ago

Sux 2BA Sox Fan

you get the point..he can't stay healthy and does not finish a lot of season....get a clue.
340 Days ago

Justin4537

good idea, i will be supporting the clothing line
340 Days ago

Justin4537

ladies and gentlemen,,this man says that reguardless of what michael vick does,,,,he will never like him, which makes him according to THE HATERS HANDBOOK,, a full blooded hater,,,now for real,,,,im done talkin to you,,,BECAUSE YOUR DOIN A GOOD JOB AT WHAT U DO,,,WHICH IS HATE,,,,
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

That's exactly what I said. Good job! And you will embrace him no matter what he does, which makes you...I don't know...a full-blown creep?
340 Days ago

Justin4537

so it doesnt matter what vick does,,You will disslike him reguardless right????
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Yes, that's right. I don't fall for PR-speak. I'll dislike him. Just like Ben. And Incognito.
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Pee-oh-ess is blocked?
340 Days ago

Justin4537

now im just beginning to think that you dont like Mike vick,tell me,,,y do you not like Vick,seriously????
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

You're *just* beginning to think that? Christ Almighty, it took over 24 hours for that to set in? Because he's a $@%. Just like Ben. And Cromartie. And Incognito...
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

To each his own. You *could* just give all the money to charity, but if you want to pay for overpriced clothing, be my guest.
340 Days ago

C.Breezy215

Or you could buy overpriced clothing, enjoy wearing it since you earned the money and than give it all to charity when you no longer want it.
340 Days ago

Justin4537

eagles in the superbowl, letss gooooo
340 Days ago

Justin4537

i agreed wit what you said,,,what da hell are you talkin about
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

With what? I've only posted negative comments about you.
340 Days ago

Justin4537

finally krzanowski2,we agree,you just took those words out of my mouth
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

It's a shortcut for "what the hell are you talking about?"
340 Days ago

Justin4537

whats with the ????
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

???
340 Days ago

missbuber

Justin, your comment has nothing to do with this conversation.
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

Actually, I have never brought up dogfighting here. You, however, have done it several times. Drop it if you don't like it.
340 Days ago

Justin4537

just like how the dogfighting comments have nothin to do wit this convo either
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

In fairness, none of his comments have any merit whatsoever. He might as well go off topic.
340 Days ago

Justin4537

what about it??
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

I've asked you at least 6 times. Why do it? It adds nothing to your argument and only exposes you as a racist.
340 Days ago

krzanowski2

So about the white people talk....
340 Days ago