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Husein764

This is a train Rex. Ugh!
220 Days ago

Molly57558

Scrap it, its not working. It actually looks like a joke.
221 Days ago

UFAlum2005

I think everyone can agree (maybe?) that Sparano is a horrible coach. He was bad as a HC in Miami, and he's a bad OC with the Jets this year. Now, I could be wrong, but that's just my opinion; and, it seems to be the consensus of others that I've listened to, as well. Does anyone know his credentials? Was he a previous OC before he was a HC in Miami, and is he back to his original coaching slot now? If so, was he any good as an OC in years past?
221 Days ago

deymayor

The Jets have marginal players at best and dumb coaches on the bench. 5-11 is the best they cam hope for.
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

Do you see their schedule? It would probably be harder for them to go 5-11 than it would be for them to go 8-8.
221 Days ago

AngriestMember

Not really.
221 Days ago

alax89

Sparano is using Tebow at all the wrong times. Two huge completions from Sanchez, and you're going to kill his rhythm by putting in Tebow the next play? It happens multiple times per game, and I cringe every time it happens. Tebow has a big ~15 yard run to put them on the two, gets stuffed the next play, and he subs him out. Tebow is the most efficient goal line option we have. Give him more than one shot to punch it in.
221 Days ago

UFAlum2005

I agree.
221 Days ago

Eric38568

how is confusion, then a time out AND THEN inserting the Wildcat personnelconfusion caused BY the Wildcat? If they came back with non WC personnel the timeout was called already. Occum's Razor: simplest answer is probably right.: 3 missing starters in Holmes, Hill and Keller led to people being unfamiliar with new roles, also J Hill and Gates are here 1 and 2 weeks.
221 Days ago

sheehanr

Someone asked below who will Jets draft next year after the impending poor season concludes. My take is as follows. Who disagrees with it? Since Jets are stuck with Sanchez and Holmes for 1 more year they will try transitioning to McElroy, use Hill and Kerley, and beef up everywhere else.. they have so many holes it will take years to rebuild anyway and they need a real GM who, unlike T-Bomb, will trade down to get more picks .. Ryan will be kept so they will bring in more D and a running back.. also a blocking TE who can catch as Keller won't return
221 Days ago

Dave576

We have a blocking and catching TE- Reuland was in question for blocking and was waived by SF for this assumption but now that he has had reps with Jets, although only 5 weeks, he has obviously proven Niners wrong. AS for catching, Reuland led Niners for receptions in preseason, 9 and no drops, was never sent downfield or in the seam, Stanford and ND all revered his ball catching and was #1 TE in Nation out of High School- Sanchez was his QB at Mission Viejo. There was CIF final game in which Reuland was jumping and waving in endzone with nobody near him but Sanchez through to triple covered receiver for incomplete- Hmmm, mistakes still lingering as with Texans game at end of 2nd- same thing.
221 Days ago

jgpeters11

Too funny. The Jets will never trade down for more draft picks to fill holes. They'll either draft where they are (and will draft a defensive player with huge upside but with a high bust factor as well), or they'll trade up. You guys ought to know the drill by now.
221 Days ago

sheehanr

not if they fire tannebaum
221 Days ago

sheehanr

holmes and sanchez will be jettisoned after next year
221 Days ago

sheehanr

and Revis and his fat uncle and greedy agent will act like they have all the leverage in the world .. that is their MO.. it won't change.. Woody hates those guys after last neg spectacle - he will deal Revis once he proves he can run
221 Days ago

sheehanr

holmes harris and sanchez they are stuck with .. they can clear out pace, scott, thomas
221 Days ago

sheehanr

Mr T will take the hit for that and all other errors.. he will be the scape goat du jour at end of season
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

the team has invested too much in mark for him to fail, if he fails the management fails and they will clear house
221 Days ago

sheehanr

also disagree with Abe about Revis - they can't afford what will still be ridiculous demands even after serious injury
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

Everyone says that they are going to be hurt with the cap next year. they are going to have plenty of money to re-up Revis to a long term deal which he will be happy about. Now he is going to want more money over years instead of being the highest paid corner in the league. Another knee injury could mean his career.
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

he has no leverage coming off this type of injury, they will be able to afford him especially if they can somehow clear clowns contracts like holmes/scott/harris
221 Days ago

sheehanr

I think the move to McElroy is next year in the last year of Sanchez' guaranteed money
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

If Rex stays, revis won't be dealt, I agree with you that mark should be benched for mcelroy but that won't happen, rex and mike T traded up for Mark and have year after year have said he is our QB, if mark goes/gets benched say goodbye to rex and mike T, they should use early picks for RB/offensive line.....later picks for TE/OLB/DE.......honestly I'd try to trade for a receiver by dealing harris/scott and anyone else
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

airforceliggz actually only one of those teams has an elite running back not sure where your getting your info from http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2012&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1 Can you tell me who is number 1 on that list? Ok thanks, thats where I got my info from, Frank Gore is a beast and the supporting cast behind him hunter/james are going to be very good.....there leading in yards per game and total yards, lmao you are the clown
221 Days ago

airforceliggz

ok FG is ranked 7th but you said elite which usually is top 3 rb's which Foster with out a doubt is but i see the argument
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

Anyone else see a big change in Fireman ed? Notice the jersey he was wearing? A number 6 Sanchez has replaced his former classic bruce Harper 42 - I wonder how much Woody PAID him to make the change. Total sellout Ed. No one wears Sanchez jersey's not even his mom.
221 Days ago

airforceliggz

Giants fans are just as bad as Jet fans anyway i remeber when Eli was throwing all those picks you giant fans couldn't wait to get rid of him and the media use to kill him every week and now he is the best QB in the league arguably....even last year you giants fan were lobbying to have Coughlin fired and hes the best coach in the league arguably those are facts
221 Days ago

jgpeters11

So very true. What a sell out.
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

lmao do you really think I give a fly f*** about fireman ed? lol cause I don't, please if your going to dispute what we say dispute the football facts, I dont know anything about fireman ed and if I really wanted to i could have looked it up myself but I have no interest in him at all, some1 told he used be a vikings fan, I guess he was a dolphins fan, which is even worse, he used be a fan of 1 of your biggest rivals now he a jet fan, pathetic
221 Days ago

airforceliggz

I am just setting the facts straight I could care less about Fireman Ed but I do care when people talk recklessly with no countability that's just plain idiocy
221 Days ago

airforceliggz

you people who write on here are actually all clowns..today is my first time writing on here and I'm actually shocked how dumb all of you are..when you write something it should be right first of and creditable...Fireman Ed used to be a dolphins fan until he was 10 how do i know cuz i looked it up ya idiots...Vikings season ticket holder seriously man he was a FDNY member until 2007 when he was hurt on the job...was a FDNY during 9/11 as well how do i know cuz i looked it up ya moron....being completely ignorant and condescending and confident in what you say doesn't make you right knowing the facts do so go suck a fat one
221 Days ago

jgpeters11

Is that you Ed? Any chance of getting us a tour of the FDNY facilities. I'd like to see them.
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

Did you create google.com?
221 Days ago

airforceliggz

blocking hundreds of fans...you guys are morons
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

Apparently fireman ed was a vikings season ticket holder before the jets
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

He was a sell out when he was called himself fireman Ed. The last time he ran into a fire was his 1st year on the job.
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

He was a fireman, FDNY guys that I know all think he is a hack.
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

Is he actually a fireman? I thought he was a gimmick all along, sitting on his brothers shoulders and blocking the view of hundreds behind him frantically waving his arms in a J-E-T-S chant that makes him look epileptic. He is a loser as well as a sellout.
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

@Mexi If they clean house at end of season, whom are you considering to be there 1st round pick, assuming they have a top10 pick between 6-10
221 Days ago

sheehanr

Since Jets are stuck with Sanchez and Holmes for 1 more year they will try transitioning to McElroy, use Hill and Kerley, and beef up everywhere else.. they have so many holes it will take years to rebuild anyway and they need a real GM who, unlike T-Bomb, will trade down to get more picks .. Ryan will be kept so they will bring in more D and a running back.. also a blocking TE who can catch as Keller won't be back
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

I saw trent play 2-3 years at alabama because I went to auburn, and trust me I knew he was going to be great, he was 3x better then mark ingram the year he was in the running for heisman he just got less hype because he was younger and got the ball less, trent is a solid rock
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

Lattimore is a good pick if your sitting at the range of like 12-30, a top10 pick lattimore is waste of a pick as with any RB in this upcoming draft
221 Days ago

airforceliggz

Sanchez just signed a 3 year extention he's not going anywhere
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

people were questioning whether or not Trent was worth a top five pick....
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

Jets can trade down, because they will definitely be in the top 3 selections.
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

Lattimore. there are VERY good free agent WR's next year. O line O line 2nd 3rd.
221 Days ago

Dave576

Agree with Mexi- McElroy needs to patient as do we and think he has a good shot-
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

If I wasn't being so sarcastic I would have said that abe. But thanks, I totally agree with you. McElroy will get his shot next year when Sanchez is LONG GONE.
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

I hear the Jets like a TE from Moorehead State. Or a kicker from Moscow, a former soccer player kicked off his league for spitting on an official.
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

hahaha seriously though, who do you want, offensive line? running back? qaurterback?
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

can't wait to hear this one.
221 Days ago

airforceliggz

The Jets have more passing yards this year than the Texans,49ers, Cowboys, Steelers, and the Lions all who supposedly have good quarterbacks. All of those teams also have HUGE game changing athletes to help out their quarterbacks. And on top of that Atlanta is only one in front of them. The facts are that Sanchez is a QB who has a lot to still learn and go through with receivers who shouldn't even be on the field yet alone starting. Our run game horrible/boring. If anyone should be replaced or benched it should be tannebaum cause none of our draft picks in the last 3 years have really worked out. Revis and Harris were drafted in 2007 and Keller in 2008. I happen to like Sanchez but the kid seriously has no talent anywhere around him period
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

I agree its a team thing but mark isn't the answer here either
221 Days ago

airforceliggz

There are no excuses here but you really can't put this mess on this kid...this team as a whole organization is horrible including our beat writer
221 Days ago

airforceliggz

Sanchez stats are actually better than Eli's stats through this point in their careers..i know eli won the superbowl in his 4th years but he also had a tremendous defense of line which we don't and a game changer on offense which we don't
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

The real problem is if they bench sanchez or decide to trade him, there goes tannenbuam and rex's job, specifically because there the 1's who traded up in the draft to get him and they gave him a contract extension this year, so benching sanchez is the absolute last resort
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

I have been saying that since last year, but you are right. Which is why the tebow move looks so suspect now. I think that was a Woody move, made just to grab headlines, as everyone NOT named Skip Bayless has accused them of.
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

Sanchez gets yards in chunks BETWEEN the 20's. In the red zone he throws it to the other guys or has passes batted down by d-linemen who read his eyes as he follows his target across the field. Sanchez gets yards - NOT POINTS.
221 Days ago

sheehanr

he wasn't bad in red zone last year but that was because we had Plax, Tom Moore designing red zone plays, and also because Sanchez trusted himself to run it in more than throw it in
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

Its irrelevant having more passing yards then texans/49ers because they have elite running backs that take load off there passing game, plus jets probably attempt more passes because there running game is awful when there goal is to be a run oriented team, and sanchez shouldn't be this bad in his 4th year, regardless of tools around him are slim to none, he has had more players in the past granted but now he has a worse OC and this whole tebow nonsense is the last thing this team needed, its time to re-build starting with Tannenbaum
221 Days ago

airforceliggz

actually only one of those teams has an elite running back not sure where your getting your info from
221 Days ago

This Sanchize thing not working out

nyg.......spare yourself the keystrokes. These guys don't get it. The excuse parade is not stop. Next year, it will be something to do with the change in team uniform or something similar. For some reason, The Sanchize has these guys mesmerized. Maybe they see what Eva sees. LO
221 Days ago

Cfattovw

Ellis getting hurt stinks he was playing the best on the dline in the middle. Harrison did show something on a few plays especially that 3rd and short late in the game. I think when ellis comes back the Jets need to go to a 4-3 ala the ravens of 2000 when they had Siragusa and that other huge dude in middle. Coples/Mo de Ellis/Harrison or Sione in the Middle Linebackers should be Maybin Harris and Davis maybin is a loose cannon but you cant teach the speed and hustle he brings. Davis is young but again speed hustle. Harris would have easier time getting to running backs with ellis and harrison clogging up the middle. Coples and Mo would have more one on one and hopefully can get some sacks. On offense it might be time now with Keller and Hill coming back to use the pass to set up the run and also give Mcknight Powell and Grimes more carries and use Greene Later in games.
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

Mental mistakes are the product of poor coaching, and the Jets are very poorly coached. Ryan, by sticking with Sanchez has proven to be as stubborn as his dad and will suffer the same fate. Tanny looks to be a goner because of his indifference towards player personnel, which just HAPPENS to be his job. Jets are a mess and it doesn't look like it will get better any time soon. Indy 27, Jets 17.
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

He dominated Andre, I'd take Cro any day of the week
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

Disagree (if your talking about the touchdown), that was Landry job to come over and help, the announcers even said that, Landry blew his coverage on that play, he was suppose get safety help over the top and landry came late
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

He still got turned around. made a good jump on the route of Andre though.
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

haha the only ray of sunshine in this rainstorm is Cromartie
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

And he got burnt by Daniels on the first drive monday night.
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

hahaha just when you think he might have something optimistic to say it comes out to be the most pessimistic thing a jet fan could say
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

What is optimistic? I don't understand that word. Does it mean finding a ray of sunshine in a rainstorm? I have been a Jets fan TOO LONG, but I can't quit...I must have green Vulcan blood.
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

ha Mexi is like your angry Uncle that just sits in the TV room drinking Bud heavies at family parties watching the football game by himself.
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

Spades
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

That right abe - that's me in a nutshell. yelling at the TV and cursing Sanchez to high heaven. What do you do? Play hearts and catch the score whenever your wife will allow?
221 Days ago

Cfattovw

speaking of the colts i mean how lucky can one team be? they get a once in a generation qb in Manning and 16 years later Get another in Luck this kid is gonna be something special.
221 Days ago

Cfattovw

i dont get why cavanaugh is still here sanchez still makes the same mistakes and hes been the kids qb coach from day one. yet he keeps getting a pass. also why they didnt try to bring back tom moore is beside me.
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

my favorite jet fan never to dissapoint me haha
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

The Jets ALWAYS disappoint me. I'm glad someone is happy today, because given the situation with the Jets IT AIN'T LOOKIN GOOD.
221 Days ago

WolfDogMoon

Oh come on, Cimini. The one common denominator is that Mark Sanchez is an overrated player and product of USC's overhyped program and needs to be benched. On any other team, Mark would be benched already. Its a no brainer. Just stop.
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

Sanchez has played his way OUT of a job on most ANY other team. How can you put up with 48 percent completions and picks to d-linemen -or at least balls batted down at an alarming rate? You can't. Tanny has put together such a fine group of talent hasn't he? Ground and pound with THAT O-line PULease! And those RB's.....sure thing. Jets have a heck of a rebuilding job ahead.
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

"Jet fandom claiming the reason the Offense was so offensive was because Schotty sucked.......was so predictable.....never called downfield plays." Seriously all of you are absolutely ridicoulas if you really think sparano is a better OC, the guy is terrible I said this as soon you hired him, 29-31 as a head coach and 1 playoff win, shotty accomplished way more then that with only a few years on the jets compared to sparano entire career! and now the rams for the first time in many years have a winning record!, at this rate the rams could very easily have a better season then the jets and all of you laughed when I said this before season started
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

JJ Watt is an animal but you have a 245 pound 6'3 QB that can truck almost any linebacker, and you put sanchez out there to throw a pass on the GOALINE, seriously no excuses terrible play calling and management and you know it abe
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

better then the guy who throws mark in at the goal line to get intercepted, lmao......when tebow is actually known to be on goal line but no wait lets put mark back out there and throw the ball at the 1, yep thats def going to work
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

Granted JJ Watt is an animal.
221 Days ago

airforceliggz

Shotty haha you mean the clown who calls for 3 and 10 slants that get 8 yards
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

agreed completely, and what offensive coordinator was that under? Shottty.......he had 1 bad season where the entire team fell apart and somehow he got to be the scapegoat, now the jets are in 5x worse offensive troubles then they probably would have been a lot better off with him then not, jets hired a worse offensive coordinator then the current 1 they had and I don't get that at all
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

I would have taken Sparano when they were talking about bringing in Haley to be the QB's coach. But that was just a rumor.
221 Days ago

trizzuto2810

I would say that most Jets fans didn't want Sparano either, however, it made sense when they said they wanted to go back to ground and pound. The problem is, they don't have the personnel to ground and pound anymore. In 2009-10, they had the best O-line in football and Thomas Jones and then Thomlinson in the backfield. Shonn Green has proven he is not a #1 back. He has been terrible this year. You can't ground and pound if you cannot run. The Jets used to do a lot of zone blocking for big runs, but they don't do that anymore. I think they have rushed for over 100 yards just once, when they used to average over 170 yds rushing.
221 Days ago

This Sanchize thing not working out

and there lies the core problem with the Jets.......all their little slogans, like Ground and Pound don't mean sh*t......it's just a fr*ggin circus. Ponderous man, Ponderous ! LOL
221 Days ago

nygiants0513

hes not, but I'd still take shotty pass happy offense over sparano's delaware T
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

haha you love the Deleware T
221 Days ago

abe_frobeman

I am not saying anyone is better than anyone, all I am saying is it's not like shotty is breaking offensive records over there in St. Louis
221 Days ago

MexiRoll6

Schotty has upside in St Louis. Sparano will go back to bagging groceries or whatever it was he did before coming to NY. Ryan will be a top DC somewhere and Sanchez will be scouring the Hollywood Hills for schoolgirls.
221 Days ago